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Aug 27, 2008 19:17:50 GMT -5
Post by david on Aug 27, 2008 19:17:50 GMT -5
Baptism in the Name of Jesus only This issue arose as early as 1913 when some Penecostals required baptism in the name of Jesus ONLY. This teaching is in direct conflict with what Jesus taught in Matthew 28:19, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.”(NIV)In 1916 the General Council adopted a creedal the impact was that 25 percent of ministers withdrew and it split the church.
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Aug 30, 2008 17:55:12 GMT -5
Post by Jeremy on Aug 30, 2008 17:55:12 GMT -5
If the teaching is in direct conflict with Matthew 28, why did the Oneness Pentecostals insist on teaching it? Did they know they were in direct conflict with that passage and simply didn't care? And what about a passage like Acts 2:38, when Peter instructs the people to be baptized in the name of Jesus? Give me a legitimate arguing for baptizing in the name of Jesus only, okay!
When the 25% of the ministers left, they formed a separate fellowship. It is not nearly as (numerically) successful as the Assemblies of God. Is this proof that God approves of baptism in the names of all three parts of the Trinity more than in the name of Jesus only?
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Sept 5, 2008 17:18:03 GMT -5
Post by David on Sept 5, 2008 17:18:03 GMT -5
The Oneness Pentetostals insisted on teaching in the name of Jesus only because the reject the doctrine of the trinity. They believe that there is only one God who reveled himself in three differnt forms. They didn't agree with Matt. 28:19 because they believed God had only reveled himself as Jesus during his ministry on earth. With this mind set the legitimate arguement for baptizing in the name of Jesus is that Jesus is the one who died for us, and he is the one we are "buried with". To baptize in Jesus' name means to baptize based on Jesus authority, since all authority has been given to Jesus in heaven and earth. To baptize with the trinity doesn't make sense because when baptized we become disciples of Jesus. I believe their not as sucessful because they deny the trinity that is taught in God's word.
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Sept 6, 2008 15:10:26 GMT -5
Post by david on Sept 6, 2008 15:10:26 GMT -5
Here is what I found when searching for more information to answer Jeremy's question..."If the teaching is in direct conflict with Matthew 28, why did the Oneness Pentecostals insist on teaching it? Did they know they were in direct conflict with that passage and simply didn't care?
Please read this quote from the article, "The Error of the JESUS ONLY Doctrine," Written by Jimmy Swaggert Posted on: 05/01/2003 "In effect it was this: Peter introduced the new baptismal method at Pentecost because, supposedly, the Holy Ghost had revealed unto him that the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is Jesus Christ. In other words, their "revelation" was that there is only one person in the Godhead and that is Jesus Christ. They also vehemently opposed the doctrine of the Trinity, claiming it was of human origin." So there you have it. Have a great day. David
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Sept 6, 2008 15:43:22 GMT -5
Post by Julie Ross on Sept 6, 2008 15:43:22 GMT -5
Hey, David got me in on this discussion and so I looked up Swaggart's article also. The People if the Spirit book does not give nearly as much info as needed but this artlicle was informative. Check out www.believersweb.org or read this excerpt below in regard to the trinity and what we believe to be taught in the Word. I liked the part about the word one relates to unity... "Scripture does state there is one God. But the word "one" relates to unity as well as number. I John 5:7 clearly means one in unity, as does St. John 17:11-21. And yet there are three distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. The three are spoken of as one in number and yet treated individually in Scripture. There is one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ, and one Holy Ghost (I Corinthians 8:6; Ehpesians 4:3-6). Thus there are three separate persons in divine individuality and divine plurality. The Father is called God (I Corinthians 8:6), the Son is called God (Isaiah 9:6-7; Hebrews 1:8; John 1:1-2) and the Holy Spirit is called God (Acts 5:3- 4). According to the quote that David posted, the 25% choice to adhere to the revelation to baptize in Jesus name over and above Jesus' words and the teaching of the trinity throughout the Bible. As we learned in the hermeneutics course, it is an eisogesis (reading into the Bible what you want it to say)for the Jesus Only followers to Now to respond to this question " Is this proof that God approves of baptism in the names of all three parts of the Trinity more than in the name of Jesus only?" Does God bless things that are not truth? Do the tares grow with the wheat? Does rain fall on the just and the unjust? God will judge the just and the unjust . Have fun with your discussions. Julie Ross
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Sept 11, 2008 15:06:36 GMT -5
Post by Jeremy on Sept 11, 2008 15:06:36 GMT -5
I could not help but laugh at the irony of your typo, Julie. People "IF" the spirit instead of People "OF" the Spirit. If only it weren't true, ever.
As to the judgment of God upon both the just and the unjust...do you mean judgment (and blessing) in this life or in front of Christ?
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